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		<title>Fish Finders And Thermoclines</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Sep 2010 11:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>iain loveman</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fish Finders and Thermoclines Author: Iain Loveman I have seen that some fish finders can measure bottom and surface temperature but I want to know if fishfinders can measure temperature levels with the depth? What we are talking about here &#8230; <a class="more-link" href="http://notjustfishing.com/blog/fishfinder-questions/fish-finders-and-thermoclines/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<h3>Fish Finders and Thermoclines</h3>
<p>Author: Iain Loveman</p>
<p><span style="color: #993300;"><em>I have seen that some fish finders can measure bottom and surface temperature but I want to know if fishfinders can measure temperature levels with the depth?</em></span></p>
<p>What we are talking about here are thermoclines but first we need to clarify your understanding of <strong>thermoclines</strong>.</p>
<p><strong>Thermoclines</strong> are layers in a body of water where colder water intersects or mixes with warmer water. These layers separate the cold water from the warm water. Now, the speed of sound thru water is greatly dependent on water temperature and if the temperature differences are large enough they will allow the return of echoes to the sonar but you have to know what you are looking for and how to find it.</p>
<p>Knowing where the thermocline is an aid in helping you to catch more fish. It is well known that fish will suspend in or around (above or below) the thermocline. Just about any properly set up sounder these days will show you a thermocline and if there is one to be found, up to a depth of 50 to 65 feet. You could also be referring to current breaks or below surface thermoclines. Current breaks will be detected by a temperature sensor that measure the water temperature at the surface and this really the only reading your going to get from the transducer. However, thermoclines can show up on a fish finder as a line depending on installation and settings. Now, it&#8217;s hard to say which <strong>transducer,</strong> <a title="Brand Name Fish Finders" href="http://notjustfishing.com/blog/fish-finders/">fish finder</a> combination will show this as there are too many models, settings and parameters to consider.</p>
<p>The<strong> transducer</strong> is not going to be the only variable in your ability to see a thermocline. If the sounder or head attached to the transducer doesn&#8217;t have the <strong>sensitivity</strong> it will not matter how good your transducer is and the end result will be to see nothing. A lot of anglers have mixed viewpoints on whether or not the unit should be color or grayscale.</p>
<p>In order to find the thermocline you must ensure your unit is in sonar mode. Then increase the sensitivity until you view a weaker sonar reflection from the thermocline. Remember, there has to be a large enough difference and a quick enough change vertically in order for it to display as a thermocline or it will not reflect the sonar signals.</p>
<p>Now, physics dictates that the density of the water changes with it&#8217;s temperature therefore the sonar signal will reflect off the change in water density. Remember there still has to be a drastic enough change in water density to change the sonar signal.</p>
<p>Another thing to consider is that to get something you have to give something in return. Now, a lot of debate has been made about, tuning your sounder to find the thermocline.</p>
<p>Do you lose your ability to mark baitfish or fish and are you getting true readings?</p>
<p>The other question is are you really marking the thermocline are you tuning into the density of the suspended material or plankton?</p>
<p>In either case the end result is that you have located an area where fish will tend to locate.</p>
<p>Another option you may want to consider is to attach a <strong>speed and temp probe</strong> to a downrigger. These units work by attaching a sensor just above a downrigger ball, then lowering them thru the water column at the same time the signal is sent to a receiver or transducer on your vessel.</p>
<p><strong>Depth Sounder Mounting The Transducer</strong><br />
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<p>What you are shown is a temperature and speed reading from the depth of the probe and at the surface. Now by lowering and monitoring the probe you can determine the affect of current and temperature at depth. It is my impression that these probes are not designed to be used while cruising. I would say that the majority of serious great lakes salmon fishermen have been using this method for years albeit be in a freshwater situation.</p>
<p>One final point in trying to locate thermoclines is your <strong><a title="Inside The Hull Transducer Mounting" href="http://notjustfishing.com/blog/Manuals/Humminbird/InsideHull.pdf">system mounting</a></strong>. Let&#8217;s say you have the top of the line transducer and hooked it up to one of those high end, high priced sounders, it will all go to waste if the location ends up totally destroying the performance.</p>
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		<title>General Troubleshooting Tips</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Sep 2010 21:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>iain loveman</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[General Troubleshooting Tips Note: The following information applies to just about any brand of Sonar/GPS device but it is always advisable to consult your owner&#8217;s manual for specific do&#8217;s and dont&#8217;s. Unit Will Not Turn On Check Power cable connection &#8230; <a class="more-link" href="http://notjustfishing.com/blog/fishfinder-questions/general-troubleshooting-tips/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
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<td>Note: The following information applies to just about any brand of Sonar/GPS device but it is always advisable to consult your owner&#8217;s<br />
manual for specific do&#8217;s and dont&#8217;s.</td>
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<td><strong>Unit Will Not Turn On</strong></td>
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<td>Check Power cable connection and wiring at both ends (e.g. battery, fuse panel, terminal bar, unit head) Make sure you have wired it properly, red to positive and black to ground Check the fuse. If it is blown, it may indicate a bigger problem. It is best to have your fish finder/GPS wired on its own circuit to avoid electrical interference, surges, blown fuses, grounds, etc.</td>
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<td><strong>Unit Only Turns On It Simulator Mode</strong></td>
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<td>There is a problem with the transducer or its cable. Remember, the transducer uses energy and dispers that energy in the form of heat. Never, plug in the transducer without submerging it in water or you will just burn it out.</td>
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<td><strong>Freezes, Locks Ups or Operates Erratically</strong></td>
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<td>Boat Motor, Trolling Motor or Accessory electrical noise may be interfering with the sonar unit. Try rerouting the cables away from other wiring. Take the power cable directly to the battery instead of a ignition switch or fuse block. Remember a in line fuse is still necessary to protect the unit. Inspect for breaks, cuts or pinched wires</td>
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<td>Check both transducer and power connectors and make sure they are securely plugged into the unit and the pins are free of &#8220;debris&#8221;.</td>
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<td><strong>Bottom Echo, Erratic Readings, Non Existent Fish Signals</strong></td>
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<td>In order to get the correct interpreted response from the head your transducer must be pointing down. The first step is to clean the transducer. Oil, dirt and fuel can build up on the surface. It is<br />
also possible that a layer of air bubbles has built up on the face. All of the forementioned will reduce its effectiveness.</td>
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<td>If the transducer is mounted inside the hull be sure your transducer is only shooting thru one layer of fibreglass.</td>
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<td>Electrical noise from your boat motor or trolling motor causes the sonar to increase its noise rejection feature resulting in weaker signals for displaying fish or structure.</td>
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<td>You are in too deep of water for the sonar to read the bottom. If your fish finder can&#8217;t find the bottom while in automatic mode because of the depth, you will have to put in manual, select a setting suggested by the manufacturer specs and increase the sensitivity. Once you get into a shallower depth the bottom signal should appear.</td>
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<td>Check your battery voltage. If it drops the transmitter (transducer) power also drops which in turn reduces the ability of the head to find the bottom or fish targets.</td>
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<td>If you are moving at a high speed and your bottom reading disappears or readings become erratic it is most likely caused by the transducer being in turbulent water, this is known as cavitation and the culprit are air bubbles interfering with the sonar signal. Also, remember that when you change the angle or pitch of the boat, you also change the position of the transducer. </td>
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<td>If the speed of your motor increases, so does its potential to increase a larger amount of electrical noise. This in turn causes the unit increase its noise rejection feature which eliminates weaker signals with an end result of displaying fish signals or structure. </td>
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<p><strong>Authorized Service Centers In Canada</strong></p>
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<td>Bay Distributors<br />
119 Progress Ct.<br />
P O Box 70<br />
North Bay, Ontario, Canada P1B 8G8<br />
Tel: (705) 476-6010<br />
Email: info@bwmarineproducts.com</td>
<td>Mike&#8217;s Reel Repair<br />
#108-31060 Peardonville Rd<br />
Abbotsford, BC V2T 6K5<br />
Tel: (604)855-1119<br />
Email: mikesreelrepair@gmail.com<br />
www.mikesreelrepair.com</td>
<td>PTG Electronics Ltd.<br />
3220 Portage Ave<br />
Winnipeg, MB R3K 0Y8<br />
Tel: (204)831-0862<br />
Fax: (204-888-6207<br />
Email: Ptg_ltd@mts.net</td>
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		<title>Does My Transducer Read To The Front Or Rear?</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 18:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>iain loveman</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Question: I have my transducer mounted on the back of a 21 ft pontoon. Does the transducer read to the front or rear of the pontoon boat? What are the sonar patterns and distances and size of the pattern?Name = &#8230; <a class="more-link" href="http://notjustfishing.com/blog/fishfinder-questions/does-my-transducer-read-to-the-front-or-rear/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Question:</strong> I have my transducer mounted on the back of a 21 ft pontoon. Does the transducer read to the front or rear of the pontoon boat? What are the sonar patterns and distances and size of the pattern?<br />Name = Doug</p>
<p><strong>Answer:</strong> The transducer takes readings directly under where the transducer is located.</p>
<p>Now, there are four considerations to be made in order for your fishfinder to be considered a good unit.</p>
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<li>You need a high power transmitter</li>
<li>You need an efficient transducer</li>
<li>You need a sensitive receiver</li>
<li>You need a High Resolution/Contrast display</li>
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<p>A simple way of describing what your transducer is doing would to be compare it to the way a &quot;BAT&quot; navigates its way while flying at night. It sends out a high frequency sound wave which bounces off and object returns to the bat&#8217;s ears which send the information to brain which then interprets it and tells the bat which way to go to avoid a collision. All this is done almost instanteously.</p>
<p>What your transmitter is doing is taking a electrical impulse, converting it into a sound wave, which is then transmitted into the water. This soundwave hits and object and rebounds to the surface where it gets converted back into an electric signal which is then amplified by the receiver which then shows up on the screen as a continuous line. This whole process is repeated continously and at many times per second. In order to give you an idea of how fast this happens, the speed of sound in water is approximately 4800 feet per second.</p>
<p>Here is another analogy to help describe the transmitter coverage. Think of the beam as being what you see from a flashlight, the outside edge of the beam only goes about 1/2 the distance of the what the center of the beam does. It is what you would call cone shaped.</p>
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